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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/31/kansas.doctor.killed/index.html

Dr George Tiller was assassinated today on his way to church this morning in Wichita. A suspect was apprehended some time later near Kansas City.

Dr. Tiller was a champion for women's rights, and despite picketing, attacks on his clinic, a prior shooting and specious legal proceedings provided women who needed late-term abortions the procedures they required.

And every one of you so-called Christians are culpable in this terroristic act. Because you let the Randall Terrys and Mary Kay Culps and William Donohoes and Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and all the rest of the scumbags call abortion murder, and define their lunatic, misogynistic babblings as a reasonable version of that particular sky fairy crap.

Fuck. Just fuck.

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Date: 2009-06-01 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athenaartemis.livejournal.com
I'm curious as to your definition of "so-called Christians." Does that include all of us, or simply the ones that hold the belief that abortion is wrong?

Because as much as I am pro-choice and believe that women have the right to choose abortion, I can also completely understand why some of my Christian brethren do not hold that belief system. And I don't think it makes them any less faithful followers of God or good people to believe that. Now, the extremists who went around calling George Tiller a mass murderer and at least implicitly condoning the multiple acts of violence he and his practice suffered through are of course somewhat culpable in this horrific act.

However, the large majority of the blame falls on the individual who committed this act. We must be careful to not brand all those with similar viewpoints as terrorists as well. Just as in the time following 9/11 (and still to this day) we must remember that just because a small minority of Muslims believe that taking innocent lives is the Will of God, we must also remember that it is only a small minority of pro-lifers who are this militant and this extreme. Just because pro-lifers hold the view that life - be it inside the womb or out - is sacred does not mean that they are party to the extreme views of others. In fact, that same commitment to the preservation of life is the reason why most pro-lifers are as outraged as those of us on the other side of the situation.

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Date: 2009-06-01 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"so-called Christians" sounds exactly right. I don't belive they are Christians.

What I hate most about them, is that they make me feel hate, the opposite of what Christ taught.

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Date: 2009-06-01 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sf-reader.livejournal.com
Didn't mean to bye anonymous - didn't realize I wasn't logged in.

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Date: 2009-06-01 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tully01.livejournal.com
Echo, Keith. George died serving in his own Xian church, which supported him through thick and thin. There is the mainstream, and then there is the lunatic fringe. Even as they protested his clinic, George had no hate for the peaceful pro-lifers who kept their opposition on the legal side. He reserved his caution for the actual spittle-spewing hatemongers.

I knew George for 37 years, as a colleague of my dad's and a friend of the family and as a mentor to the many hundreds of Family Practice residents he helped train. My first job after getting a driver's license was as a lab courier, and his clinic was on my route. When I saw him there he always took a few moments to talk with me, unlike most doctors, to whom couriers are usually invisible unless they screw up.

Years later during the Summer of Mercy when the home services clinic I was managing got briefly picketed by a few of the more radical Operation Rescue fringe (we served AIDS patients, oh noes!) he called me up and said "I don't want to hear you complaining. You got thirty for an afternoon, I've got three thousand for the whole summer." It was just the touch of humor I needed to cheer me up.

I went to the Wichita vigil last night. If the funeral is not a small family affair I will attend that as well as family representative. At the vigil there was a man carrying a "Jesus Saves: God Loves You" sign around. No "Die in Hell" sentiments or such, just his religious message. When the Phelps crew set up their line of venomous spew across the street, well-shielded by WPD, Sign Man didn't join them. He quietly joined the crowd heckling them. And when he held up his sign, he faced it at the Phelps people until their statutory without-a-permit limit was reached and WPD told them to leave. He quietly worked the crowd the rest of the evening, and when several other people with signs tried to "block" him with their signs, he took it gracefully and even with a smile, even negotiating breaks with them so everyone could rest their arms for a bit.
From: [identity profile] dragonet2.livejournal.com
or 'late term abortions' or whatever you want to call them is an overfocus of the wrong people.

This is not an easy decision, it is pretty damn much like giving birth. Doctors use it to remove fetuses who have died or are likely to die upon birth (anacephalic babies, and others with conditions that terminate their ability to live once they're born). And dead babies.

Do all the fuckheads want women to carry babies who are going to die or are already dead until their uteruses give them up? That is just so fucking evil I cannot be more calm about it.

Most abortions take place before 16 weeks. At this point, it is a group of cells that sort of looks like a baby. it cannot live outside the womb.

The other thing I find very curious is that the great majority of anti-abortionists are MEN. Who will never, ever be faced with that kind of decision. (My dear mom slapped my dad with that once upon a time when he started a tirade about it, "Ralph, you are a man. You will never, ever have to deal with bearing a child or not, one way or another. You should just shut up because you should have no say in it."


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Date: 2009-06-01 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fireguarder.livejournal.com
Just returned from http://tinyurl.com/mb5re5 . Important points & moving word were said. Was lucky enough to find friends [livejournal.com profile] graydown & Dave right off, so stood with them.

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